One of the most painful things is this seems to be the general level of knowledge of most christians, then you get the few apologists that read other apologists material, and try and use that to shore up their beliefs. They never look at the other sides of arguments or indeed whether there is any truth to it (ironic eh), if it fits, they use it. standard practice really.

The problem most christians have with those opposing their beliefs, are that the non-believers have generally THOUGHT about their position. They are not taking a position, and trying to reinforce that, shoring up the untenable .. they have come to a position via reasoning.

Most christians do not use reasoning, find statements of reasoning to be confronting, and use the closest thing they can grab to justify their position.

And they wonder why I seem as tho I am angry sometimes .. it’s not that, I am usually frustrated, and have no tolerance of re-hashed arguments without a thought process behind it. This is one reason I dislike religion, despise it’s influence. It’s not people that I dislike, it’s religion.